Interview with Bassel’s friend Dino, conducted in Paris (originally in French) in early 2014.
How do you know Bassel?
I worked at Al-Aous, so he was in charge of programming there. Al-Aous is a publishing house, but they also have a website, Discover Syria, where they give information, also about the city of Palmyra for instance. Bassel was in charge of developing technology as well. I started working there when I was an assistant teacher at the University of Fine Arts. After a few years I received a fellowship to continue my education in France. So I moved, and it was the first day of the Syrian revolution.
Describe the impression the Bassel gave you. Why is his freedom important?
He is a very active person, he does not sleep much. He often works for no money. He likes to help people, by teaching them how to use new technologies, new ways of thinking. He is the first person who launched the Creative Commons in Syria, he organized the first symposium with Joi Ito. So I used to work with him to make the posters, flyers for the symposium. It was good because usually creative workers like me work on their own and we don’t often share our work, we are afraid someone would steal it; but Bassel showed us that it is not like that, you can’t stay on your own, the world has changed. You have to give your work, and someone else with share it, and another person will share their own work, and in this way you will create a network and everyone will know your work. And that’s how we started to know Creative Commons. Also, Bassel created the Aiki Lab, he rented a big apartment, it was a place opened for everyone. Which means you could arrive at anytime, and choose yourself a space on a table with your computer and work. There was free wifi, a kitchen, a bathroom, everything you need. It was a collective space, a collective mood to work. Everything was free of charge, but had had to bring your own material. You could also use some meeting spaces to organize workshops or lectures…Personally, I used the space for a photography workshop with 15 students from the University, we made collages, we printed photos and made a little exhibition. We also had an exhibition made in partnership with Libyan artists. This did not exist before, you couldn’t find a place to initiate projects and express yourself. Bassel is very dynamic and does a lot of projects for no money. For this I think he tried to find cultural funding, not political funding from parties or so.
When did you leave Syria and why?
As I said I was awarded a fellowship from the Syrian government to come study in France. About a year ago, they stopped my funding, because of my political activities, because I am against the regime and I participated in demonstrations, and made some posters. Some friends in my program reported my activities and those of others to the Syrian regime. It was a bilateral fellowship between France and Syria, we were twenty-three people benefiting from the funding in the program, in Grenoble.
How can creativity be useful against violence or be an alternative to violence?
First of all, personally I don’t have any other means of action. But the question is always to know if what I do has some effect or not in reality, in society. I think that in a way, yes. Maybe the effects are very small, but they exist. When you address someone about the Syrian war, you need to speak to them in their own language, so I can’t use any traditional imagery from Syria in Paris. I have to adapt to the language here. I think some people understand the message; I receive a lot of feedback on Facebook for example, comments from foreigners (Europeans). I think each person has their own way of expressing things and mine is creativity, not to be a politician or a social worker.
About my work, I have already been interviewed on French television (channel France 24), I participated in a radio show on France Culture, there was a book published by Le Monde called “Syria, art is armed” (L’art en armes). For me, all this social networking is for the public, it makes a lot of people look at my work and more aware of what is happening. At least, some people can see, even though they are not convinced, they see.
If you don’t see the conflict, it is as if it didn’t exist?
Exactly. I don’t want to have strong effects on people, I can’t change their life or the world, it is impossible. But I want them to see what is happening and at least to know about it. Here, in the media, everyone thinks the revolution is now radically Islamic. But there is only one view, and someone told me one day, when all the media say the same thing, you know there is a problem. But for us, the Syrians, we could also relay information; we have family and friends there, even though sometimes they are scared and don’t say anything.
How can artistic activities be seen as a threat to an authoritarian regime or to a democratic regime?
I always to make works that are not direct. Why? Because I don’t want to lose people that are one the side of the regime, or the ones that don’t know yet what they think; I want to make them think about the human side. But even if you don’t use direct symbols, they can think about it and understand, think for themselves to make up their own mind: what is happening? Who is doing what ? And from the regime’s point of view, what I do is against the government. After the demonstrations in Grenoble the regime published a list of all our names of the Facebook Page called The New Syria, calling us traitors and declaring we would ask for the occupation of Syria by NATO. The comments were very violent against us. So for them, yes what we do is a crime. If you’re not with us, you’re against us they say, but it is not like this. Sometimes I even disagree with some political opponents here. In Syria, we grew up with stories we didn’t know were false. If you don’t know what democracy is, you can’t ask for it. Does it exist somewhere? Is it possible? It is only when some people went outside of Syria that they saw it was different in other places of the world. The most important is to change people’s brains, to show them that yes, some people live differently, and it is also their right to live differently. That is definitely a threat for the regime. The most dangerous thing one can do is to encourage people to think.